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Coming back to an old block - been busy

I would like to appeal a topic block, but want first to interact with you. The topic block is, IMHO (and I believe I can demonstrate it) based on NOT READING THE SOURCES and assuming bad faith. There are, in my edits, only sources. So, will you consider the sources? Twasonasummersmorn (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Twasonasummersmorn, it's been almost two years and things have changed a bit. Your ban is no longer something special; it may be removed by any administrator, for example in response to a normal unblock request. Not all administrators will be aware of this, so you should ideally point to this edit here somewhere in your request. Alternatively, you can appeal your topic ban at WP:AN, and the usual form requirements for such an appeal do not strictly apply anymore. You can go to WP:AN and point to this edit here (based on Wikipedia:Contentious_topics#Appeals_and_amendments's "more than a year ago" clause), explaining to the readers that you are appealing a topic ban that was set over a year ago and thus can be revoked by any administrator, and that it's fine with me if this happens.
For me personally to undo the ban, I personally would like to see an understanding of what led to it, which is edit warring and incivility (Special:Permalink/1131405903, block log). This is about your behavior and not the sources, and the misunderstanding displayed in Special:Diff/1130308434 appears to be still present, so I currently lack the hope I'd need to undo the ban. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
You'll have to point to incivility rather than accurate and polite description. And - again - the edit warring was where other people serially reverted accurate sources, acting in concert. If you're interested in the edits and the sources, they're there. If you're not, then there is indeed no point. Twasonasummersmorn (talk) 13:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm going to presume there's no point and that you're not interested in the actual sources. And the fact that others are serially, in concert, reverting the articles to say that a source says A when the source actually says not-A. Plus, undoing edits when new sources are offered that they don't like. If wikipedia admins don't care about what the sources actually say, then it's become as reliable as twitter. Twasonasummersmorn (talk) 12:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
I have read your messages, but there's nothing convincing to me personally in them, and I have already explained why. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Gerda Arendt! 🌈😊 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 08:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I did not, actually.

But it's super cool. I left mentorship a long time ago. Having left, I assume there's not an easy way to check the list without rejoining, which I might do, once/if I fully return (I've been away for a while). From back then, I only remember DanCherek, whom I am proud of too, almost as much as of you 😎 I wonder who else is on there. 😎 😎— Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

😄 Well, Usedtobecool, "rejoining" just means opening Special:EnrollAsMentor and selecting "Number of mentees assigned to me: None". This enables the mentor dashboard without making you the mentor of anyone. However, as you are still internally listed as mentor for some users, I'm not sure what you'll see. Perhaps a list of mentees, perhaps not. If you see a list of mentees, please do take the opportunity to remove the assignment so they're automatically re-assigned to someone actively mentoring. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Interestingly, it currently doesn't even seem to be possible to remove mentees from oneself. Or I haven't found the option yet. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
I am not aware of a way to remove one's mentees other than by them being claimed by another. But I have not kept up with developments that closely either. It does not matter. My mentees still see me as their mentor and get told to contact me. Most mentees ask one question on their first day and never return, not even to Wikipedia editing, at all. Of the few who stay around and could contact me, none have, but that's not because they know I've quit. They have no reason to know, and I've turned none away. All the quitting does and did is, it doesn't assign me new mentees. Yeah, I could rejoin as an inactive mentor but I don't have a good justification to do so, and *they* recommend being an inactive mentor only for known short breaks, not long or indefinite ones, for whatever reason. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
I could've sworn it was possible from the mentor dashboard, but again, haven't seen it in a long time, so I could be mistaken, or it could have changed. I have vague recollections of removing blocked spammers and vandals from my list of mentees, which could be from a real memory or just a visualised wish — Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, there's a way. If a mentor is administratively removed, all mentees get re-assigned. However, a non-mentor apparently can't be removed. So a workaround would be me adding you to MediaWiki:GrowthMentors.json (as there seems to be no interface for doing so) and then removing you from the list through Special:ManageMentors. Also, the bug that allowed you to stop being a mentor without unassigning mentees might simply have been fixed in the meantime.
If you would like to try this, please let me know! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
I suspect you're simply mistaken in your belief that all mentees need to be assigned to active mentors at all times. The program is not even fully launched because of a lack of volunteers. I doubt it would be the most efficient use of resources to keep reassigning people who've already got an opportunity and are no longer new accounts even, to new mentors. An administrative removal perhaps happens for cause, making unassignment desirable, which would not be the case with mentors who stop editing with or without quitting the program. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 00:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Oh. Usedtobecool, sorry, I've read my message again and it sounds as if I were about to do as proposed. I'm not! This was just an idea in case you didn't want to be a mentor anymore and in case the messages were undesired. You wrote My mentees still see me as their mentor and get told to contact me, and I wanted to point out that there is probably a way to fix this. I agree that administrative removal is a different use case than mentor inactivity or mentor quitting, and that reassignment may be completely unnecessary. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I see. You were considering my convinience (thank you)! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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New message from Drmies

Hello, ToBeFree. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Valjean/Archive 32.
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Drmies (talk) 01:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, thanks for the notification! I currently can't investigate this, but I have forwarded your request to the arbcom-en mailing list. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks--I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hashid Khan

You had blocked this user for DE and then unblocked them after they provided an explanation for their edit. I plan to reblock them for socking; they definitely socked while they were blocked by you based on behavioral and likely CU findings, and are possibly a sock of R2dra although I haven't examined the latter claim myself. Wanted to run it by you before implementing the block just in case I am missing something.

PS: Based on what I have seen, this is a case of warring sock-farms. Don't know who, if anyone, is "correct" about the content issues. Abecedare (talk) 17:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Abecedare, sorry, I hadn't seen this when unblocking. Of course I'm fine with a re-block. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
I didn't spot the sockpuppetry either when I responded to their page protection reuest. :)
Blocked now. Abecedare (talk) 21:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
😊 Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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It appears that a recently registered editor has decided they are a SPA

BasketballDog21 and Borgenland could really use some admin input at this noticeboard.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 13:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Never mind. Also, BasketballDog has been blocked as a sockpuppet.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
That escalated quickly. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hi again! Sorry to bother you but on 6 July I wrote to you about 67.83.125.225 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). You blocked the user for one month and asked that I let you know if the bad edits continue after the block. Well, the block has not yet expired but it appears that the user is evading the block, now using IP 201.229.68.170 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The behavioral evidence seems clear to me; they are editing the same set of articles, making similar edits. For example, compare Special:Diff/1231917275 with Special:Diff/1166474658, or Special:Diff/1231916612 with Special:Diff/1236661676. CodeTalker (talk) 22:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, @ScottishFinnishRadish has already blocked the new IP for a year. Thanks, SFR! CodeTalker (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Glad to help. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks both 😄 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

IP vandalism at St Margaret's Hope

Blocked already but same editor you blocked nearly two weeks ago. Thought I'd give you a head's up.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks, Skywatcher68, I have now semi-protected the page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Suspicions of sockpuppetry

I am not familiar with the SPI process, so I need an admin with CU permission to take a look. Sadko was topic banned from the Balkans from 2021 until July 2024. Vanished user 297861 was created in 2022, immediately started to make a large number of edits (160 edits in the first week) and in the first day added themselves to the Serbia WikiProject Participants [5], suggesting that the person using the account had prior knowledge of the editing process. Vanished user's original username was Nickpunk and Sadko was noted in the report that got them topic banned to refer to other editors as "punks". There seems to be a correlation between the periods when Sadko was inactive with the periods when Vanished was inactive. The interest topics also correlate [6]. A few days after Sadko's topic ban was removed [7], Vanished put a "Retired" tag on their talk page [8]. I would like a CU to see if this is merely a coincidence or there is some truth in my suspicions. Excine (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Excine, this is  possible. Guerillero is a checkuser himself and may want to have a look, too, but if Sadko actually did this, they invested a noticeable (but not unlikely) amount of effort into keeping their accounts as separate as they were able to. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
  • First off, ToBeFree, thanks for the ping. Very appreciated.
  • Let's see what do we have here... Editor wih total of 284 edits who was last active in June 2023 has reported for me 'using socks'. The funny thing is, I have never interacted with this person, but they seem to think a lot about my areas of interest, editing habits and what not. That's not something you see every day on WP, at least I do not. And even more interestingly, these... claims get posted (without so much as a ping) just a few hours after I publicly told another editor that I'm traveling and have little time for WP. My guess is that there will be more comments on this topic.
  • Very important context aside for a minute... The claim is absurd and illogical. Why would I need a sock if I planned and worked hard to have my topic ban lifted? It makes no sense, but I have seen editors get banned easily in cases like this. Therefore, I'll provide a more thorough analysis, set aside my doubts about the report, and assume good faith, considering this might simply be a significant error on someone's part.
  • Note: I'm somewhat familiar with Nickpunk's work and I have no idea why they decided to retire this summer. For example, they expanded an article I created on another project. Considering that I have never been banned or warned on sr.wiki, I have reported myself to admins with CU permissions.
  • The two of us talked at some point. The two writing styles are quite different.
  • Never have I called anyone a punk, that is simply untrue, nor do I use or like that word for that matter. And I'm not a particular fan of punk music either. : ) A quick google search showed me that there are several members of internet communities in Serbo-Croatian with similiar nicknames. For example.
  • I have 50K+ edits on EWP under my belt and I have edited thousands of pages. Comparing my editing history with any editor active within the CEE area would produce a solid overlap.
  • Editor Interaction Analyser clearly shows that the other editor paid far more attention to certain pages than I did.
  • There is a bunch of topics and articles where the two accouns have zero overlap. My interest is far broader. Another note, they do not post edit summaries, I try my best to do so. Nickpunk/Vanished user's other edits clearly show that they are very interested in everything related to Novi Sad, which has never been a big priority for me. They have wide knowledge of the city, its streets and corners, which I do not possess. The only topic where this editor and myself actually had a common interest is Architecture of Serbia. They know a lot about birds, a topic area which I do not edit.
  • Nickpunk has greatly improved Jovan Soldatović, which has been on my watchlist for years. I noticed a rookie mistake regarding style, they left a flag icon in the infobox, which I removed. If this was my 'carefully crafted sock', how moronic would it be to make edits on the same page, just after the other editor made their edits? This editor had no real knowledge of how WP works and they made a lot of newbie mistakes, which can easily be checked via their TP history page.
  • (!) It is quite easy to determine that I have no other active accounts on EWP. In fact, when Nick was making his edits here and here, I was patrolling IP edits during the same minute, please see here and here. And here is another example of the two editors working in the same minute of the same day: Sadko - Nick. I could provide more examples, if needed.
  • My time is limited at the moment and I had little time to polish this reply, but I hope that this answer will be enough for the moment. P.S: Sorry for the long post and thanks for taking the time to read it. — Sadko (words are wind) 01:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you very much for the detailed analysis, Sadko. Looking at all this, I think there's not much to worry about here. You shouldn't have to defend yourself against sockpuppetry accusations, though; I'm sorry for making it look as if you'd have to write a long defense statement. If the suspicion had turned out to be true, I'd have blocked; that didn't happen. Welcome back to the topic area and don't let these reactions (here and on your talk page) discourage you, please. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
My pleasure. Thanks for the kind words. That sort of approach has not stopped only on my TP, but it was taken further. Sorry for commenting on that, but, sadly, things are not what I expected them to be on WP, coming back after some time, and if one did not know any better they would think that I was some kind of Wikipedia Putin. : ) Best. — Sadko (words are wind) 17:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
😊 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

BLP issue at Emmanuel Todd

Maybe the references aren't exactly reliable, I don't know, but removing them and the supported content without discussion seems problematic.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 12:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Skywatcher68, it's an interesting situation for various reasons. Thanks for sharing. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Frankly, I would undo that entire string of recent IP edits going back to before this one. The user appears to have a strong personal point of view about Todd. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi Cl3phact0, do feel free to – I only removed a half-deleted, broken section. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Noted, thanks. (Adding Skywatcher68 for information.) Is the best practice just to undo each successive edit one by one, or is there a better method? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Cl3phact0, see Help:Reverting – in a nutshell, simply click the timestamp of a version you like, then "edit", enter a summary explaining the revert, then publish. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I'll try that (I don't do a whole lot of undoing other folks work in general). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
It looks like I may have inadvertently removed the page protection too (which, if true, shouldn't be so easy to do – but that's another matter). Could you take a quick look? Thanks, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Cl3phact0, that's just the lock icon template displayed at the top right of the page. It's automatically added back by a bot sooner or later, and can be manually added back by anyone. No worries. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Got it. Page protection is an aspect of the project where I should probably improve my knowledge. Thanks again for your help. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
All good 😊 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Pau Cubarsí

Why did you lock the article on the preferred version of a political vandal? Kingsif (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kingsif, this appears to be a longer dispute between checkuser-blocked Panenkazo, block-evasion-blocked 186.211.107.65 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and surely more; it is pretty chaotic and I don't have a full overview yet. Describing the edits as vandalism is easy but far from being obviously correct. It took you a few seconds to complain here; please take the same amount of seconds to state at Talk:Pau Cubarsí why Special:Diff/1237005223 is preferable and perhaps why Special:Diff/1237039463 should be reverted. I can then replace the short full protection by longer semi-protection to ensure that disagreement with your talk page explanation is discussed at the talk page instead of through reverts. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
If you checked the longer history, you would see I was the first user to add the information that the IP vandal is trying to remove. Kingsif (talk) 21:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Based on the content, it's clearly a politically-driven vandal, and so waiting for them to edit beyond a final warning and get AIV blocked is the easiest way to deal with it. Locking the article right as it hit that final warning, did not help. Please don't step into these situations with wide-ranging article protection without knowing what's happening, and then accusing someone who has been at the heart of the issue of not paying attention. Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Kingsif, are you sure? Special:Diff/1233675588 was before your first edit to the page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
And while that's a concern, I'm referring to this. The inclusion of "from Catalonia", when there are sources, was agreed in a 2018 RfC. Panenkazo block evades and, importantly, did not add sources for the content at Cubarsí. My edit today, had a source. The IP removing the source is trying to give weight to removing it all. Kingsif (talk) 21:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
And it still doesn't make sense why you'd not wait for the disruptive IP on the verge of being blocked, to be blocked so the reverts immediately stopped. Kingsif (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
I'll try to find the RfC, but linking to it at least once somewhere, ideally on the talk page of the article, would have helped a lot and would still help a lot. The entire discussion could have been avoided by one single user referring to the RfC. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, it's at MOS:CONTEXTBIO / Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography/2018 archive § RfC on use of Spanish regional identity in biography leads. I'll now add this information to the article's talk page... ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
 Done at Talk:Pau Cubarsí. Regarding the full protection, we'll remain in disagreement about whether you and/or AntiDionysius should have used the article's talk page instead of reverting and complaining about protection. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
IPs who want to remove references to Catalan/Catalonia, generally don't engage with discussion and ignore reasoning that they know exists. Better to let them walk into committing persistent vandalism. Kingsif (talk) 22:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Dimitar Glavchev

Hello, I need help. Because in the role of Dimitar Glavchev has a lot of Vandalism. Preime TH (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Preime TH, thank you very much for the notification, and for not joining the edit war. I have informed both Jorkdkskakaksjjsk and Panam2014 about issues with their editing of that article now (1, 2). As both editors are extended confirmed, page protection can't solve the problem unless it's full protection preventing edits by all users. So I'm afraid that if this really continues again and again, the only administrative solution would be partially blocking them from editing the page for a relatively long duration, looking at how long this has been going on. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
@Jorkdkskakaksjjsk: seems to have accepted the sources. Panam2014 (talk) 14:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi Panam2014, my concern was about the behavior, not the content itself. It's good to hear that you have found an agreement on one of the discussion points, so please do continue discussing – my only concern is that edit warring and incivility don't help in finding a solution. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Jorkdkskakaksjjsk and Panam2014, if the discussion doesn't move forward and seems to be running in circles (but that's not the case yet as far as I can see), you can formally request a third opinion or even start an RfC. See the dispute resolution policy for this advice and more details about it, such as remaining in the top sections of a beautiful pyramid displayed there. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Mohseen Moosa apparently being edited by the subject

Just letting you know.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 13:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Came back

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Michalis1994#July_2024 Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2024 12.23 his block ended, 12.24 edited, the same as the ip https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&action=history Montigliani (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Montigliani, a block does not automatically prevent nor prohibit contributions made after its expiration. Looking at the article histories and comments such as [10] and [11], I'm afraid that multiple editors with a (far too) strong opinion on certain topics such as Evangelos Marinakis, Ivan Savvidis and Voice of Reason (political party) are currently attempting to get the "other side" blocked. Please stop using Wikipedia as a battleground. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:21, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
You're right. Sorry. Montigliani (talk) 23:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I have to admit I didn't expect that response. All good, no worries. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Bringing this to your attention to have a better idea of what they are trying to achieve. Michalis1994 (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
The RfC desperately needs attention from uninvolved experienced editors not invited by D.S. Lioness, Montigliani or Michalis1994. Thanks for the notification, but the motives were already transparent enough. It should be clear to anyone looking at the situation for five minutes that it's an unnecessary, unproductive, unhealthy battleground that would best be met with disengagement by everyone currently involved in it. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
I have now removed the most recent unproductive comments from the discussion and sent everyone a notification ([12] [13] [14]). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:17, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Michalis1994 he is 1000% puppet of Phanaris, Dynasty Power. I respect and appreciate you completely ~ ToBeFree, and so I will be patient for a few days. Then I'll delete him. I can't let a user with only malicious intentions laugh and make fun of us. It is not possible for him to write so many accusations in one person's article and at the end say that he has been acquitted of all of them, so as to appear magnanimous. Important events took place in the last two months and he does not mention any of them: Marinakis is re-elected president of the Super League. Marinaki's team won 2 European football titles. For the rigged games, Nikos Georgeas, who denounced him, was finally convicted of perjury. Makis Triantafyllopoulos, a journalist who started the case with Noor 1 was also sentenced to 3 years for spreading false news in the case.

Michalis1994 does not write these. Why Michalis1994 don't you write these? Do not mind. See you later.--Montigliani (talk) 19:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Michalis 1994 does not answer. Meanwhile the discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Evangelos_Marinakis#Request_for_comment started on 22 July 2024 and today we have August 5, 2024. 14 DAYS! How long should it last? I remind the score is 3-2, including his opinion User:SportsGreece https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1225739309 --Montigliani (talk) 09:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
There is no "score" as there is no battle. Please find something else to spend your time on. You've made your point, others have made their points, hopefully further uninvolved opinions will appear, someone will close the discussion one day and there's neither a rush in closing nor in making changes to the article. Please take one hour of your time, one single hour, to demonstrate somewhere outside of this conflict that you're here to build an encyclopedia. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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New user?

Because you are a well-meaning user and because you certainly don't want to be mocked by Michalis1994 perhaps we can point out what I and Montiglianni have figured out about him - see if there is any reason for you to apply for an SPI. You probably know, I did but it wasn't considered because I failed to produce the evidence needed. It was the first time I applied and I didn't know how to do it. We are two users who say We are two users who claim that he is a puppet because we know him from the Greek Wikipedia. We know the way he talks, the topics he supports, his political position. Besides, he is so experienced around Wikipedia, and around old conflicts with other users that it is obvious that he is not a new user. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello D.S. Lioness, this is kind, thank you very much. Coincidentally, the situation has already been resolved. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I was delighted to see it. Worthy!!
By the way, can i remove the controversial sentence from Evangelos Marinakis lead as blocked user contribution or not, because there is an RfC? D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
D.S. Lioness, which sentence exactly? I might have already removed it, but I'm not entirely sure. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Well done! You have removed it!!! D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Ah okay, thanks, I just undid the latest contribution; for a moment I thought there was more. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
One last thing. I was banned from the Latinopoulou article because of accusation by Michalis1994. Shouldn't I be reinstated? D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Possibly, but perhaps also rather not. I personally can't decide; it's a community-imposed topic ban. You could appeal it at WP:AN, with a link to [15], the discussion that led to it. To me personally, while you turned out to be correct about the sockpuppetry issue, the way we went to that conclusion was so horribly rocky that I wouldn't use the checkuserblock by itself as a reason to appeal anything. I also haven't unblocked Montigliani as their block reason (refusing to focus on content on an article talk page and casting aspersions) is still valid to me. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
The one and only problem for Latinopoulou's article was Michalis1994. I didn't have problem neither High Dunker, nor any other user. I will take my chances and appeal the decision -for the sole reason that i had contributed a pov text in relation to today's malevolent content. Anyway, thank you very much. D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I won't stop you. 🙂 Good luck and you're welcome. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet Investigation

Hello I have a sockpuppet investigation that I need an administrator to investigate, this is serious. [18] Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 14:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Cookiemonster1618, the page has been deleted – if I understand correctly, primarily because sockpuppet investigation pages are named after their master, not the sockpuppet. So if user A has been blocked and returns as "B", you would create "Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry_investigations/A". You may need to ask Bbb23 if that was the issue, as I can't find a deletion notification on your talk page and the deletion summary is rather vague.
As I am currently at Wikimania 2024, I would probably not have been much of a help, though, and I would probably not have processed a SPI quicker than the rest of the huge queue when asked to do so, unless it is about sockpuppetry I had previously personally dealt with. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Contentious topic

@ToBeFree: I want to designate Vasily Utkin as a contentious topic, after removing content related to WP:RUSUKR. 165.16.5.50 (talk) 23:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I have filed an SPI case about this IP. — Mike Novikoff 09:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

67.83.125.225 again

Hi! The "accent" vandal 67.83.125.225 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) that you blocked on 6 July has returned immediately after their block expired and is making the same disruptive edits to the same articles. Can you take a look? Thanks! CodeTalker (talk) 01:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi CodeTalker, thank you very much for the notification! I have now re-blocked for a year. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 04:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks very much! CodeTalker (talk) 05:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi again. The very persistent accent vandal is back again, this time at 2601:86:C47F:BE60:2D5A:C15A:7973:96F5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). This /64 was blocked previously by you on 6 April and then for 3 months by Ad Orientem on 28 April. That last block has expired and they are now repeating the same unsourced disruptive edits to the same articles. They've only made a few edits so far but based on past history this will only get worse. CodeTalker (talk) 18:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, CodeTalker. I'm not sure what was meant to happen in Special:Diff/1239822107, but it seems to illustrate the issue. I've reblocked for a year. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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I found her

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:D.S._Lioness, as it says on its page, it is called Dora. This Dora https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%CE%94%CF%8E%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%A3%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BA%CE%B7&diff=prev&oldid=1145002178. I don't bother to translate for you the insults he exchanges with another blocked user. You will be disgusted. So it's her https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/%CE%94%CF%8E%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%A3%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BA%CE%B7

Do what you think. I won't tell you. I'm sorry it's a woman. I'm sorry about the situation in general. Montigliani (talk) 19:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

D.S. Lioness, thoughts? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
About what? Really, i can't understand what he discover. Where is the problem? Both accounts are not blocked in english wp. For your consideration https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Steward_requests/Username_changes D.S. Lioness (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Is that you making that comment and is the person you're making the comment against also an EnWiki editor though? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused and trying to get an overview. If I understand correctly, only Special:Diff/1144987485 is from D.S. Lioness. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
YES!!!!!!! D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
that's where i know michalis1994, Nikolaos Fanaris and Glucken!!! Is him!!! D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
And anyway, how can I protect myself from a user who, being unable to deal with me according to the policy of the project, resorts to devious and deceitful methods? D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
the guy who insults me is Michalis1994 D.S. Lioness (talk) 19:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
This one Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NikolaosFanaris/Archive? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
YES!!! D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Apologies if this is taking a frustratingly long time to understand, do you think that Montigliani and the IP are NikolaosFanaris? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
No, i don't think so. it's just that Modigliani, in his haste to prevent me from editing the Marinakis article, supposedly found something against me D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
You should ask Montigliani who is the purpose of this topic. D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

SORRY, BUT I MUST EXIT. D.S. Lioness (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:22, 12 August 2024‎ (UTC)

I searched a lot and still searching for it. D. S. Lioness or Dora should not be a puppet of Nikolaos Fanaris. They certainly work on the same issues, with the same political point of view and aim to slander. D. S. Lioness is kinder, but just as cruel as Fanaris. Fanaris has a better quality as an editor, but he swears and is malicious. Generally it is the same coin with two sides. An encyclopedia to me should impart knowledge and not gossip or slander. But this is what these two users do. I think that D.S. Lioness made fun of V. Marinakis' article. I believe he will do it again. I don't forgive when they make fun of me. Goodbye Dora. Montigliani (talk) 23:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I searched a lot and still searching for it.
Your success in identifying Michalis1994 as a sockpuppet of NikolaosFanaris makes it very tough to say this, but I (still) think you're overdoing it. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I know that. I have to stop. Montigliani (talk) 07:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

What about that?

Here claims not to know the user glucken but here it is obvious that he khowns him User:Montigliani any ideas? D.S. Lioness (talk) 02:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Of course I knew him. Searching for Nikolaos Fanaris I ended up with him who is the source of evil. It was my trap to find out who you are. You have no difference. Your edits are defamatory and politically targeted. I am very angry with you. Looks like you got away with it. ToBeFree is big-hearted. Montigliani (talk) 07:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This time you are making a big mistake

EverLove 124 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Super_League_Greece&diff=1237663219&oldid=1214969291

D.S. Lionesss https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:D.S._Lioness/sandbox&diff=1240028059&oldid=1239974293

I told you they act like communicating vessels. One complements the other. There is no difference. If you don't block her, you'll be forced to block me. I appreciate you immensely, but I won't back down. They want to pass the slanders about Marinakis to the Super Liq article. Over my dead body. Montigliani (talk) 09:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Montigliani, the first diff is between 40 revisions by multiple users. A more specific diff would be [21], for example, and it could be compared to [22]. I don't think that alone is similar enough to justify a checkuser check by itself, but perhaps there's more. Please let me know. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
There is no difference here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:D.S._Lioness/sandbox&diff=1240028059&oldid=1240025327
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_League_Greece&diff=prev&oldid=1215012633 In Corruption and violence they write exactly the same. Montigliani (talk) 11:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. That's not much, but together with the sockpuppetry block of D.S. Lioness on elwiki, I did now have a look.
D.S. Lioness is technically Red X Unrelated to Michalis1994 / EverLove124 / NikolaosFanaris. It is almost impossible for them to be the same person. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
They are not the same person, but they work together for the same purpose. They are definitely politically oriented people but for the purpose of propaganda. Montigliani (talk) 12:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Okay. So you are concerned about canvassing, if I understand correctly? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Montigliani (talk) 13:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello Michalis1994. First let me say that I have no idea who the two users you mention are. Secondly, I am moved by your solidarity for her Dora Stroubouki Lioness. You are a gentleman. Well done. Montigliani (talk) 15:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Montigliani, I understand the good faith aspect behind statements such as "I'm sorry it's a woman" when referring to someone having misbehaved, or describing solidarity for her as "gentleman"ship. However, the stronger the focus on an editor's gender is, the more inappropriate it is. I had ignored this above but it's appearing here again and please just shouldn't as it's completely unnecessary. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I get it. The discussion in the entry is not closed. You shouldn't have allowed her to make changes. Michalis 1994 also comes and supports her. I don't know. Let them dance. I've tired you enough too. I'll handle them myself. Montigliani (talk) 17:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm surprised you had to do a user check to find out I'm not Michalis 1994. It seems like you imagined I was addressing and conversing with myself when I was arguing with the user. Perhaps another administrator would be better suited to handle this issue. D.S. Lioness (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
D.S. Lioness, you're saying this as if I hadn't personally been asked by both of you to have a closer look at the situation. You're right, though. My work on this matter is done. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
although I am not at all obliged to give you an explanation, I will do so for the last time. I found this entry - which you retracted without reason - YESTERDAY, looking to see if you are Vrahomarinarer - and because it says important things from reliable sources I intend, after editing it, to include it in the article. If you don't like it, that's your problem. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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Voisava Kastrioti

Since you are familiar with the article, can you take a look? A few days ago AzorzaI tried to remove Bicoku, a well-known academic source as "fringe" [23]. Marin Barleti, a biographer of Voisava, said she was of Triballi origin, and Bicoku argues that with "Triballi" Barleti meant "Bulgarian". After the first effort failed and other editors sorted this out on the talk page, AzorzaI is edit warring to add sources which say that Byzantine authors used the term "Triballi" for Serbs and to add "According to Bicoku" to make it look like Bicoku's conclusion is somehow of less importance [24][25]. It has been explained to AzorzaI by several editors that the content is off-topic because his sources do not talk about Voisava or Barleti's use of the term "Triballi" (Barleti was not Byzantine, he was Albanian-Venetian). The term "Triballi" has been uses by different authors to refer to Serbs, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Thracians amd who knows what else; only Barleti's meaning of the word is relevant to the article. Since AzorzaI continues his long-term, slow edit warring on the article in an WP:OWN pattern, can you do sth like a page restriction for the article (some articles have an 1RR for example) or a partial block on AzorzaI himself? Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

This year alone AzorzaI has 16 reverts on the article, roughly as much as the all the other editors combined. Can provide the diffs if needed. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
There is also a history of him misusing sources to unconstructively push and highlight what appears to be a pro-Serb POV (it is debated in scholarship whether Voisava was of Albanian, Serb or Bulgarian origin):
  • There he removes well-sourced content that elaborates on Voisava's name [26]. He wants to keep only the part that says that "Voisava" is a Slavic name, and wants to remove the part that says that it was commonly used among Albanians as well. Apparently to reduce the "Albanianess" of the name.
  • There he edit wars to add that "most" scholars support a South Slavic origin for Voisava [27]. He does not have a RS saying that the Slavic origin is supported by "most" scholars; it is just his own conclusion.
  • There he adds that Stanisha, one of Voisava's sons, "fought for Serbia" [28]. Instead, the source says that Voisava's husband complained that he was forced to send one of his sons as a hostage to the Despot of Serbia, and that he sent Stanisha to help the Serbians. What AzorzaI wrote and what the source says are 2 different things.
  • He adds attribution to Bicaku who says that Voisava's biographer, Marin Barleti, uses the term "Triballi" to refer to the Bulgarians, although Bicaku is the only RS in the article that elaborates on Barleti's usage of the term "Triballi". AzorzaI adds off-topic sources that say that Byzantine authors used the term "Triballi" for the Serbs. However, Barleti was not a Byzantine, and those Byzantine authors never talked about Voisava (they had died centuries earlier) and use the term "Triballi" in other contexts. He apparently adds the off-topic content and the attribution to Bicaku to make a Bulgarian origin look less likely or supported, and to highlight the possibility that Voisava was of Serb origin.
  • If one goes deeper can find even more such cases where he takes things out of the context provided by the source, adds his own conclusions or removes those parts of the sourced content that apparently do not suit his POV. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
    Hi Ktrimi991, thank you very much for the detailed description of AzorzaI's behavior. I think WP:ANI would be a better venue for this report, so that there is a central venue to discuss it. I also see that Special:Diff/1164362757 may have discouraged you from discussing this with AzorzaI on their talk page. May I copy your messages to ANI? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
    The thing is Balkan discussions at ANI/I rarely get solved for various reasons. Usually because discussions become "too long to read" and admins get discouraged from getting involved. Hence I prefer to seek a particular admin's attention. I chose you in this case because you are familiar with both the article and the editor. If you are not interested in getting involved, I will take this to AE. It takes time to prepare the diffs for an AE report, but from what I have seen Balkan issues always get sorted out there. Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
    Ktrimi991, oh right, that's a good idea. AE sounds ideal to me, and I agree that an ANI thread could end up being archived without responses. Your request is an honor to me and I feel bad for redirecting this to a noticeboard, but I'd really prefer AE in this situation. I hope this is okay. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
    It is OK, no worries. I highly appreciate your work and communication skills, and I trust your judgement, hence I have come here in several cases to ask for your input. The AE report limit is 20 diffs, and that is OK to show the misuse of sources. However, to show the long-term, slow edit warring pattern should I just point out the article and the time period of the edit warring instead of providing diffs? Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you so much for the kind words! For showing edit warring, clever use of the page history parameters may be an idea. For example, when you open my talk page's history, the link is "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ToBeFree&action=history". You could add "&offset=20220102235959&limit=200" to the link if you'd like to show 200 edits that happened before 2022-01-02 at 23:59:59. It is also possible to use the history's tag filter function to filter for reverted edits, but I wouldn't go that far as it hides edits and may make an disingenuous impression. That feature may be useful for collecting a list of diffs, though. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you. Using the page history parameter had not crossed my mind. It is good that I asked because the way I had planned to show the edit warring would drive admins away. lol Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
    😅 No problem. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Question

I wanted to know if I can edit another section of the Super League Greece article - not the disputed one. Can I or will it be considered as edit warring? Thank you! D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

D.S. Lioness, I won't judge. If someone ever deals with the report at WP:ANEW, you can ask them. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Message from Preime TH regarding the articles about Prayut Chan-o-cha and Phumtham Wechayachai

Heading added ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I need some help with this. Due to the article Prayut Chan-o-cha and Phumtham Wechayachai there is Vandalism by deleting the position of Privy Councillor and Deputy Minister of Transport by IP. I tried to get him to stop making unconstructive edits. But there's no sign of stopping. Can you help with Protection? Preime TH (talk) 06:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Preime TH, thank you very much for the notification. If I see correctly, the article about Srettha Thavisin is affected by the recent political discussions as well. I wasn't aware of these, but it seems reasonable to semi-protect all three pages for a while. Please let me know if this turns out to be insufficient to prevent violations of the biographies of living persons policy or edit wars. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
thank you very much If any article has a lot of harassment or is in the middle of an editing war, I will report it to you. Preime TH (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I want you to do it

I would like you to finish this case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Montigliani_and_User:D.S._Lioness_reported_by_User:ToBeFree_(Result:_). Whatever it is, even at my expense. Do what you think is right. I'm not going to hold a grudge against you if it's against me. You helped me when you didn't know me and if you punish me now that you know me, it means I'm doing something wrong. It's also not my intention to punish the other user. I just want to break free. To know if I can continue writing or go home. So please make the decision yourself. Montigliani (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Montigliani, I'm sorry for having caused, or even causing, you stress. I understand that being on Wikipedia with a sword of Damocles in form of an open report with a block recommendation hovering above you is extremely unpleasant, and (hopefully obviously) not what I intended to happen. I had hoped for a quick resolution, which admittedly would probably not have been the fairest one.
I think there is one piece of information that you are currently missing yet that could reduce your stress: Not all reports are actioned before being automatically archived.
The edit-warring noticeboard, differently than others (WP:RFPP, WP:AIV), has no bot that removes reports based on "done" templates or actions from administrators. There is no bot that automatically closes a report because the reported user has been blocked; there is no automatic archival based on which reports are done and which are not. There's just archival based on inactivity, 48 hours to be precise. If no message is added to a section for 48 hours, a bot comes and silently archives it. You can verify this configuration by checking the top of the source code of the page, where it says "2d" for 2 days.
Also, reports are sometimes formally declared as "Stale" by an administrator when the active edit war is over and there's no preventative need to block someone for an issue far in the past.
I can't action the report because I am still afraid the best approach would be an indefinite block for now, and I don't longer feel being in a position to place it. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I admit I didn't understand exactly what you mean. But I liked that you answered me nicely, because I thought you hated me. However, if you think I should be banned indefinitely, do it. Don't hesitate. I think I am right in this argument, but that is beside the point. Thanks again for everything. Montigliani (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Montigliani, thanks for the kind words, and I think I don't hate anyone. I certainly don't hate you. I was annoyed by your behavior for a while but since I no longer need to mediate or sanction in this conflict, I'm just relieved. This is also why, however, I won't jump into another session of arguments and accusations by making myself accountable for a block in this matter anymore. If someone blocks you, you can discuss it with them, and if everyone else turns out to be a block-evading sockpuppet, I won't need to unblock with an apology either. It's comfortable to stay away. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Οκ. Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpacedFarmer trying to delete the super league formula one entries. It looks like a Nikolaos Fanaris puppet to me. Montigliani (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
and of course his entourage ran to consent https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Olympiacos_CFP_(Superleague_Formula_team)&action=history Montigliani (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
and see They have the same cookie treat on their talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Glucken123&diff=prev&oldid=963687579#A_belated_welcome! and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpacedFarmer
They also talk in the same sassy way. It's him. I hope you now understand how dangerous they are. Montigliani (talk) 20:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
I lack words to describe my feelings about you reverting that user's contributions already ([29] [30]). Montigliani, being blocked after editing isn't block evasion. There may be sockpuppetry in play, but that should be reported at WP:SPI instead. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
I got carried away. Sorry. However, it is he, they, they have no end. Montigliani (talk) 20:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm trying to mention him here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations
I don't know if I'll make it, at least tonight. I can't do it... Montigliani (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SpacedFarmer I think I did it. Easy, but I struggled. Montigliani (talk) 21:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

RUSUKR

Hi ToBeFree, I created a report at ANI due to a non-extended confirmed editor continuing to not follow WP:RUSUKR (along with various other disruptive edits). I gave them a final warning about RUSUKR after they made a revert (without giving a valid reason) a few days ago. Despite this, they made another edit about the war after this. They have also never responded on their talk page. Unfortunately, no administrator (or any other editor) has responded to that report yet. Can you take a look at this if you have time? Thank you. Mellk (talk) 15:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mellk, thank you very much for reporting this at ANI and for the notification about the lack of action there.  Done ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

COI issue at Cute Is What We Aim For

Someone claiming to be Fred Cimato has been using two different accounts (Ciwwafred in July and Fredciwwaf today) plus at least one IPv6 range to edit there.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Skywatcher68, thank you very much! Special:Diff/1241009833 is interesting. I've had a look at the two accounts and think the creation of the second account is fine as long as the old account remains unused/abandoned. Most people probably simply don't know how/where they could ask for a rename, and are certainly unaware of Special:GlobalRenameRequest. The article has been subject to disruption in general, so I have protected it for now, and I have removed the list of band member names due to a lack of citations. Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You obviously didn't notice

You have removed 9494 bytes of Michalis1994 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1238788422

D.R.Lioness he brought it all back gradually and in a different order 1)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1238808123 1230 bytes 2)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1238988653 1202 bytes 3)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1238991236 452 bytes 4)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1239230416 646 bytes 5)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1239516487 3248 bytes 6)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelos_Marinakis&diff=prev&oldid=1239517330 319 bytes 7)in between about others 100 bytes

brought back about 7500 bytes that is. Removed about 1800 from the covid 19 adventure and tipped the scales. I told you there is a big scam here. But everything is in your hands and you are too late. Montigliani (talk) 22:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I have read this message. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
The same here. He brought it back with a different title and tweaks, but with the same unreliable sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_League_Greece&diff=1241045405&oldid=1241044922 Montigliani (talk) 05:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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I am disappointed

I don't understand your attitude which continues to be hostile towards me. Do you forget what he has done? 1) brings back contributions by Nikolaos Fanaris 2)Ignores the talk page 3) He's slandering me for stealing, when it turns out he's lying. 4)He says he wants to destroy wikipedia and will make a fan forum. 5) is blocked indefinitely in the Greek Wikipedia and here in an article. 6) He slanders V. Marinakis in his article and accuses me of wanting to whitewash him! I told you he has fooled you there.

You ignore all this. Yesterday he didn't even respond to your suggestion, which I thought was excellent. But you still think I'm bad and she's good. OK!

I am writing to you because at ANI the other administrators do not know the case and apparently do not read what proofs I give and what she gives. Anyway. I'm tired and frustrated. You abandoned me, while you have all the evidence to exclude her. It does not matter. I expect you to punish only me. With true appreciation, but also with great bitterness... Montigliani (talk) 09:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Montigliani,
I think I made a mistake in Special:Diff/1240118860; I didn't want to cause the impression that ignoring gender by referring to everyone as "he" is better than referring to D.S. Lioness using singular they or checking her preference using {{they|D.S. Lioness}}.
If there's a specific edit of mine that is hostile and/or has upset you, please give me a link to it so I can apologize for specific words or can explain why I used them.
In I expect you to punish only me, I hope "you" is plural, towards the group of administrators. Because I personally see no need to "punish" anyone, and I will generally obviously avoid getting administratively involved in the matter again. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
I would like your opinion there at ANI. The time has come for them to decide for us. I want to hear your opinion. It is very important to me. I was here for 10 months and I felt like you were my guardian angel. I just want you to tell the truth. What you believe. Montigliani (talk) 21:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
I believe you should not edit Wikipedia in the way you did so far, either by avoiding the topic or avoiding editors you have previously frequently interacted with. This includes persistently asking me for an opinion I mostly already provided or actions I already refused to take. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
I understood. Thank you very much. Montigliani (talk) 22:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Nougat10

This user, after having been warned and given a content block, continues to edit the Russian-Ukrainian war topics, avoiding a technical 3-revert only because it’s taken them four days]. Bearian (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bearian, thanks for the notification! Note that WP:GS/RUSUKR, contrary to the Arbitration Committee's extended confirmed restriction, does allow "constructive comments" on article talk pages, so the main issue is directly editing the article about Korenevo, Korenevsky District, Kursk Oblast, not the (more recent) talk page editing. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for dealing with an edit warrior. Bearian (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh – thanks for the kind response! 😊 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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